the fact that they added pittsburgh tomorrow is a big deal. he's going to go into the ethnic, the eastern european parts of cleveland. cleveland is the second largest hungarian city besides budapest. it's huge. a romney rally among those folks is going to undercut of lot of obama's vote in that county. >> is that to get out the vote to encourage and get the enthusiasm up or do you think there are some people actually undecided in those pockets? >> i think there are some undecided but i think there are a lot more people who aren't quite sure they are even going to vote yet. suddenly they get this surge of energy. i think the numbers, for example, in madison, wisconsin, which are very striking. madison has a local very, very liberal congresswoman running for the u.s. senate. i thought their turnout would be way up. they had a rally in madison, 18,000 people there. >> the student population there is up around 40,000 or $50,000. >> right. four years ago there were 80,000 people there. that means the rally four years ago was more than four times bi